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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Gama » 19 Sep 2011, 19:32

Pa na vest se nadovezuje, krene diskusija :roll:
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Liv » 19 Sep 2011, 19:34

Ne, ne.. ne funkcionise to tako. Sto je najsmesnije ti si otvorila ovu temu :D
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Gama » 19 Sep 2011, 19:35

A ne, to je po automatizmu islo. Nista ja nisam otvarala :teacher:
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby georgina » 20 Sep 2011, 15:26

ne znam gde se ono pisalo o ujkinomtm otkazu al' evo ja cu ovde.

poslednje sto bih u zivotu citala je autobiografija 25-ogodisnjaka (?????) koji je trecinu zivota mlatio reketom, trecinu valjda proveo u teretani a trecinu prespavao ili se vozio avionom. ali ima ko cita.
ovo mi bilo zanimljivo
sa mtf-a, clanak se nadovezuje na diskusiju o razlazu rafe i tonija
Nah. If any of you have read rafa's recent autobiography (I have and I recommend it) he reveals a lot of friction with Toni over the years and often shows a very dark side of his uncle. I was shocked to read some of the things he said in his bio -specially now at this time, why??-, he has a lot of issues with Toni and now he has made them public (with Toni's permission, of course). I don't understand the reasons for this... he is in the middle of his career, why publish a book now?

Whatever the reason, Toni doesn't look good in this book, he's made to be something of a monster. I pity Rafa...
I don't think they will split up anyway, Rafa has said many times that everything stays in the family, they all run each other's operations. Toni doesn't get paid for coaching Rafa, but he has half the company of his brother Sebastian and receives half the benefits without doing any work. Sebastian also runs Rafa's investments and he takes charge of everything related to Rafa's career. In the book they are made to look like a Sicilian clan. It's kind of creepy.
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Liv » 20 Sep 2011, 16:14

Ja bi je procitala da mi padne pod ruke. Ne bi dala pare za nju, al' bi je procitala da sam u prilici. Umesto Metro news-a koji prelistavam ponekad jutru :D
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Gama » 20 Sep 2011, 18:33

Michael Stich criticises strike talk from Andy Murray
"When people like Stefan Edberg played in singles and doubles at Grand Slams, they [just] did their job. Andy Murray doesn't even play four rounds of Davis Cup each year.

"It's not down to the tournaments and the ATP [Association of Tennis Professionals], it's down to the players themselves. Perhaps they need to look out for their bodies and pick their tournaments better?"

Stich, who said he sits on the board of some tournaments, added: "They should never forget this is a partnership.

"If they were to go on strike, they should think what would happen if the tournaments went on strike. They would have no career, no income, no profession. It [striking] is not a good solution."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/14985897.stm


Bernard Tomic won't be great player until he lifts work ethic: Australia Davis Cup captain Pat Rafter
"If he wants to work hard he'll get the results, but he's got to start having consistent results every time he walks onto the court and putting everything out there.

"That's been one of the weak parts of his game, that he's not applying himself day in, day out.

"He can't expect to be a good player and not commit to any sport.

"When he's ready to do that he will become a very good player."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/bernard-tomic-wont-be-great-player-until-he-lifts-work-ethic-australia-davis-cup-captain-pat-rafter/story-e6frf4mu-1226140871916
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby alcesta » 20 Sep 2011, 18:44

Štih priča kao da top igrači mogu da biraju koliko će turnira godišnje igrati. Ne moraju da menjaju kalendar mnogo, neka smanje broj obaveznih turnira. Što turniri na to neće pristati to je druga stvar...
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Gama » 20 Sep 2011, 23:21

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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby Liv » 20 Sep 2011, 23:45

Obzirom kolike su pare u pitanju sve mi se to cini kao dizanje prasine a ne ozbiljna pretnja.
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Re: Teniske diskusije

Postby Altair » 21 Sep 2011, 17:01

odličan Bodov tekst o rivalstvu Nadala i Đokovića
http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/201 ... nadal.html

The Real Rivalry
It's been a trying 2011 for Rafael Nadal, but he's not going away. And that's a very good thing, because his rivalry with Novak Djokovic—and not his with Roger Federer—may define his career
Spoiler: pokaži
It's been pretty easy to feel for Rafael Nadal since the spring of this year, mainly because of the unexpected and savage way Novak Djokovic shattered the duopoly in men's tennis and, skipping steps that very few people might have deemed dispensable, ripped the world No. 1 ranking out of Rafa's hands.

You can almost envision Nadal standing hunched over in the midst of a howling windstorm, red clay-dust sanding his features and swirling madly all about him, blinking and asking, "What just happened?"

That's how quickly Djokovic established dominion over men's tennis.

But if you take the longer view, you could almost rationalize the course of the past 12 months as a fair example of the workings of fate, or karma. Truth be told, the arc of Nadal's career was a bit too smooth—a bit too nicely tilted in his favor and set-up for success. There's a simple reason for that—the difference in age between Nadal and his original rival, Roger Federer. It's almost exactly five years—just enough to keep them more-or-less within the same generation, but not enough to really put the men on equal career footing. In any number of ways, the Nadal vs. Federer rivalry is/was a straightforward saga of the hunter (Nadal) versus the hunted (Federer), or of the ambitious usurper plotting, scheming, and ultimately dethroning the aging king.

The inevitable—for wasn't the outcome of this "rivalry" just that?—came to pass in an orderly and even predictable way, partly because Nadal's expertise on clay gave him such a firm psychological foundation from which to pursue his intentions. I've always had to smile when contemplating the Federer/Nadal bromance—these two spent a lot of time working very familiar territory, variations of which include the good-cop/bad-cop routine (see the entire series of, what, 34 Lethal Weapon movies) and, to pick a good example from closer home, the Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova rivalry.

One interesting element in this equation is that each party in these partnerships (or rivalries) needed the other in order to make the whole add up to more than a sum of the parts. Rafa and Roger were lucky to have each other, and underneath it all they knew and appreciated it. They even acknowledged it. This kind of rivalry inevitably becomes a kind of orchestrated dance, and therefore can appear a bit studied, ever-so-slightly less satisfying than a more explosive and less predictable show. The moves of each man or woman in these pairings brings out the best in the other. Thus, Federer's light touch and artistic instincts only made Nadal's earthy labors and combative spirit that much more striking—and vice versa. At some point, you may begin to hunger for something different. . . less logical.

The difference in Federer and Nadal's ages also suggested, however subliminally, that somehow Federer begat Nadal. Surely The Mightly Fed would falter one day, and it was convenient as well as fortuitous that when he finally did, we would be left with a net gain. Federer didn't just go away (and he still hasn't). He was replaced by something very different, but of more-or-less equal value in Nadal.

Cozy. That's the word I frequently thought of, contemplating those two.

But that's all different now, thanks to the pestilential explosion of Djokovic across an already cratered and smoldering tennis battlefield. We might have been prepared for this, but at the same time were not. And you could hardly blame us. For one thing, we were focused on the cozy rivalry. For another, Federer and Nadal comprised a whole and closed tennis universe, a yin and yang (what's the word y'all use, "Fedal?") which required nothing more, in fact into which any intrusion seemed something like a buzzkill, or an affront. How easy it was to ignore what was right in front of our noses, that the real, natural rivals really are Nadal and Djokovic.

The brilliance of Federer retarded the development of a Nadal-Djokovic rivalry, and in any event, Djokovic was slower to develop than Nadal (if anything, his evolution into a champion more closely parallels Federer's). It was easy to overlook the rivalry begging to happen, although it's hard to see how when you compare Nadal and Djokovic. They were born within a year of each other, and each was a precocious Grand Slam singles champ. The most telling detail is their head-to-head; they've met five more times than have Nadal and Federer (although six of their 29 meetings were just this year). If each man can play tour level tennis to age 30, they might end up with a H2H based on 60 or 70 meetings.

This might seem like bad news to Nadal fans at the moment, and it certainly will strike some people as cosmically unfair. Why couldn't Nadal, whose longest stint at No. 1 was just over a year, ending this year at Wimbledon, have just a little more time to sit back and smell the roses after having had to work for so many years to catch Federer? Well, because of this thing called karma, or fate. It's as if the tennis gods looked down on Rafa, sitting pleased as punch atop the tennis world, and said: Not so fast, buckaroo!

Or, welcome to Roger's world, Rafa—have you met Novak?

This raises the inevitable question, given the way Djokovic has been shellacking Nadal: will this be a rivalry at all? Or will Djokovic quickly become the third man in the span of fewer than five years whom we nominate and debate as perhaps the Greatest of All Time?

The U.S. Open was not especially encouraging for Rafa fans (nor for Federer loyalists, and for the same reason). I thought that the tennis Nadal played in the third set was the absolute best I ever saw from him, and it's hard to imagine him equaling, never mind surpassing that level. Yet he barely won that set. And it was sobering to see how poorly he finished in the fourth; it was reminiscent of the April day in Miami, when we all sat stunned by the degree to which Djokovic looked just plain fitter and stronger than Nadal. Whoever even thought such a thing was possible?

And when Nadal said in his post-U.S. Open final presser that he was leaving New York feeling better about his chances in the future against Djokovic than when left Wimbledon (where he also lost to Djokovic), I think I actually winced. How delusional, I thought, sitting in that press room.

But. . .

You all saw the way Nadal played in the Davis Cup semifinals just last weekend, humiliating the French team almost single-handedly. That he was able to bounce back from that U.S. Open loss with such resolve (never mind such spring in his legs) told me something about Nadal (you can read the long version of this epiphany over at my ESPN space). And you all saw how Djokovic and Serbia went down the tubes in the same competition, with Djokovic essentially collapsing on the court, unable even to complete the match that punched Argentina's ticket to the final.

Thinking about those disparate events, the word that kept popping up in my mind as I thought about Nadal was "implacable." My gut feeling right now is that Nadal wasn't rationalizing or deluding himself when he said he left New York feeling better. Whether or not he can justify those feelings with actions is another matter, but my major takeaway from the events of the past few weeks is that Nadal is not going away any time soon. Any while he hasn't said it (his pal Federer, though, has come danged close to saying it), I'll bet you dollars to donuts Nadal is thinking that this purple streak Djokovic is on simply cannot last. And Nadal plans to be there to punish him when it ends.

I wouldn't rule out Djokovic continuing to play at or near the level he hit this year. For one thing, the guy is a late bloomer, and if anything, the circumstances from which he sprang (as a native of Serbia) could only have held him back, development-wise if not desire-wise. But Djokovic has been somewhat complicated all along, and his towering status, especially at home in Serbia, incorporates plenty of distractions and other opportunities to lose the plot.

If and when he does, Nadal will be there, waiting. Of that, I'm fairly certain. One thing about Nadal, he's honest with himself. Another thing about Nadal, he has an almost unbounded appetite for work; in that sense, his original rivalry was good preparation for what was to come, which has now come.

Down deep, I think Nadal knows that the Federer perplex was not destined to be his outstanding career challenge. One day he may even appreciate that it wasn't.
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Re: Teniske diskusije

Postby ivana23 » 21 Sep 2011, 19:55

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Martina Navratilova backs Andy Murray strike talk - BBC


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Spoiler: pokaži
Martina Navratilova has defended Andy Murray after he said players are not afraid of striking over their crowded schedule.

The 18-time Grand Slam singles champion agrees that players should consider action because of the packed calendar.

She told the BBC: "You cannot maintain that level of intensity and not put your body in hospital eventually.

"I don't know why Andy Murray should be criticised for taking charge of his life."

Regarding the potential for strike action, she added: "If that's the only way they can get to that point, then that's what they have to do if they can unify themselves enough and that's the last resort.


"Of course all tennis players want to play. That's what you train for. But I was complaining about the calendar being too long 25 years ago, saying we need to shorten it.

"We have shortened it on the women's side. Women play about a month less than the guys. But now, especially with the Davis Cup and the top players being involved in the Davis Cup, for a [Rafael] Nadal or a [Novak] Djokovic or a [Roger] Federer, then that schedule is just untenable. We are talking about longevity."

Navratilova managed to balance a tough singles and doubles programme when she starred in the women's game after winning her first Grand Slam singles title at Wimbledon in 1978. But the Prague-born American concedes that the modern era is even more demanding.

She said: "I made my own schedule but I was very lucky with a very good body and I worked very hard at it. But nowadays players travel much more than we did. The schedule is more spread out over the whole world.

"They are playing on hard surfaces with metal racquets and everybody hits the ball harder. It's definitely more taxing on the body.

"It's too much. The players are the only ones who are suffering. You have one body and one career and you want to make the most of it."

Navratilova added that a strike threat would be effective.

"Without the top players, you've got nothing," she commented. "If they band together like that, the powers-that-be have to talk to them and listen to them. They have been complaining about the long schedule for a long time and it seems nothing has really happened.

"We are the only sport in the world that does not have an off-season. It's crazy. You cannot do that year after year."


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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby alcesta » 21 Sep 2011, 20:53

Još jedna varijacija na temu štrajka: http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... son-length
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Re: Teniske diskusije

Postby georgina » 21 Sep 2011, 22:01

Altair wrote:
I wouldn't rule out Djokovic continuing to play at or near the level he hit this year. For one thing, the guy is a late bloomer, and if anything, the circumstances from which he sprang (as a native of Serbia) could only have held him back, development-wise if not desire-wise. But Djokovic has been somewhat complicated all along, and his towering status, especially at home in Serbia, incorporates plenty of distractions and other opportunities to lose the plot.

If and when he does, Nadal will be there, waiting. Of that, I'm fairly certain. One thing about Nadal, he's honest with himself. Another thing about Nadal, he has an almost unbounded appetite for work; in that sense, his original rivalry was good preparation for what was to come, which has now come.


da, jako dobar bodov tekst.
narocito me plasi ovo na kraju , zato sto i sama mislim skoro isto.
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Re: Teniske diskusije

Postby jabukamen » 22 Sep 2011, 09:57

Altair wrote:o rivalstvu Nadala i Đokovića


Nekoliko godina nakon stranice o rivalstvu Fedal, vikipedija je najzad otvorila stranu i o ovom rivalstvu, a i red je, prvi i drugi teniser sveta, dva igraca koji od svih aktivnih imaju najvise medjusobnih meceva, tesan odnos pobeda, pravo rivalstvo. A najbolje od svega sto su obojica mladi i sto je verovatno jos puno meceva pred njima.
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Re: Vesti i aktuelnosti sa tour-a

Postby M.S. » 22 Sep 2011, 10:48

Zanimljiv tekst i vrlo, vrlo zanimljivo rivalstvo koje tek sad dobija onaj trilerovski preokret i moguće sasvim menja krvnu sliku tog matchup-a. Nadal je mimo šljake, polako osvajao sve druge podloge od Federera. Novak je pak, na svima od starta bio visoko (ili pristojno) kompetitivan sa Nadalom, van šljake i trave čak bivajući u h2h prednosti, a i stil igre je na to upućivao. Međutim, izostajali su veliki rezultati i velike pobede. Skoro sve je odneo Nadal-ne samo u takmičarski najvažnijim okršajima (Vimbi 07. i Njujork 10.), već i u onim gde je emotivni ulog bio veliki (Kvins, Peking, Madrid).

Iako uzorak na slemovima nije bio prevelik (osobito jer treba biti vrlo oprezan pri uzimanju u obzir h2h na šljaci, a frekvencija tih susreta znatno šteti h2h Federera i Đokovića i zamagljuje sliku njihovih pojedinačnih odnosa sa Nadalom), zakonitosti su bile postavljene tako, da je Nadal smatran dominantnim favoritom na šljaci, ali i pretežnim favoritom u nizu specifičnih duela: duelima na tri dobijena, u duelima koji prekorače određeno vreme trajanja, u duelima sa igračima koji preferiraju nadmudrivanje sa osnovne i duže građenje poena. Novak je sve to obrnuo- od nekog za koga se smatralo da Nadala može dobiti samo visoko rizičnom igrom i van slemova, on je došao do toga da ga dobija "sopstvenom" igrom, kroz duge relije koji su Nadalova utvrda, te ima ove sezone 2/0 u slem finalima sa njim.

Šta su dalje perspektive tog rivalstva. Ja gajim sasvim pristojan oprez i mislim da će Nadal sigurno uzvratiti-pitanje je samo tajminga, kvaliteta i kvantiteta. Bodo kaže da je treći set Njujorka najbolji set koji je Nadal odigrao, pa je ipak jedva dobio, čime implicira da je ili neophodno da taj nivo drži sve vreme u meču sa Đokovićem, ili da sam Đoković padne. Ne mislim da je Nadal ništa dokazao u mečevima DC-a gde se iživljavao nad nejači usled prošlonedeljne frustracije. Niti je s tim u vezi Novakova povreda, kojom je eventualno on sa distance potvrdio čega ga je koštao Njujork (sem ako stanje nije ozbiljnije ili oporavak ne izvedu kako treba). Onda kad je bilo najvažnije, u međusobnom susretu gde se jedino dokazuju stvari, a ne posredno u mečevima protiv Gaskea i Conge na šljaci, Nadal nije bio spreman da odgovori izazovu.

Ono što on ima je šampionska nit i nikad-odustajuća filozofija. Ona će ga vratiti u igru i možda će se stvari ponovo obrnuti, ili-ipak verovatnije-približiti egalu. Međutim, znam mnoge velike šampione koji su iskopneli ili nestali pri bliskom susretu sa svojim nemezisima i nisu uspevali da njihovu enigmu razreše.
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