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Postby Eddie Brock » 27 Mar 2025, 12:54

Jasno se ide na zatvorenu ligu bogatasa.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Cvele » 27 Mar 2025, 12:56

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Re: Evroliga

Postby dacolik » 27 Mar 2025, 12:58

Eddie Brock wrote:Jasno se ide na zatvorenu ligu bogatasa.



A Evroliga u koju na osnovu sportskih rezultata svake sezone udje samo 1 klub (osvajac Evrokupa) nije zatvorena?
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Slaninar » 27 Mar 2025, 13:00

dacolik wrote:
Eddie Brock wrote:Jasno se ide na zatvorenu ligu bogatasa.



A Evroliga u koju na osnovu sportskih rezultata svake sezone udje samo 1 klub (osvajac Evrokupa) nije zatvorena?


I to ako uđe jer mnogima nije isplatljiva pa nisu zainteresovani jer nemaju bogate fudbalske klubove ili drzavu uz sebe pa da to nekako peglaju.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Tilt » 27 Mar 2025, 13:04

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Mislim da sam uspeo da izvučem kako treba tekst iza ovog paywall-a.

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Commissioner Adam Silver will pitch the NBA Board of Governors his early sketches of a plan to start a new pro basketball league in Europe as early as 2026, sources with direct knowledge of Silver’s deliberations with potential stakeholders told The Athletic.The venture could include 16 teams, deep-pocketed investors, some defectors from the established EuroLeague and new franchises in major markets like Paris and London.

Silver is set to present to the NBA Board of Governors in New York on Thursday after months of preliminary talks with existing European club teams, potential investors — including owners of mega soccer franchises on the continent — and FIBA, the international governing body for basketball that would be Silver’s partner in a new league. There are no deals yet between the NBA and, well, anyone, two high-placed league officials told The Athletic. Silver is, essentially, looking for permission from his bosses (the NBA’s 30 owners) to move forward in making a new league happen.“The process is just beginning,” one high-ranking NBA official said.Though planning is still in its early stages, Silver’s effort has advanced enough for Andreas Zagklis, secretary general of FIBA, who is based just outside of Geneva, to travel to New York for the board of governors’ meeting. Zagklis is not expected to be a part of Silver’s initial presentation, but will be able to answer governors’ questions.

Asked for comment, NBA spokesman Mike Bass issued this statement: “At this week’s NBA Board of Governors meeting, the league will report on its exploration of a new men’s basketball league in Europe, in partnership with FIBA.” Silver and the NBA have been building up to this for months. He spent several days in Paris in January meeting with potential stakeholders in the league and people across European basketball. Afterward, he said the league’s March board meeting would prove decisive in the league’s path forward.No vote is expected Thursday, but if Silver gets approval to continue, his new European league would include a mix of rights-holding franchises and slots for teams to play their way in by performing well in their national league or FIBA’s Basketball Champions League.

The league’s funding model would be expected to include league ownership stakes for team investors, sources involved in the discussions said, but a high-ranking NBA official called recent reports of a $500 million buy-in to the new league pure speculation. Sources on both sides of the Atlantic with knowledge of the NBA’s early talks are watching four existing EuroLeague franchises — Real Madrid, Barca Barcelona, ASVEL Basket of Villeurbanne, of which former NBA superstar Tony Parker is team president, and Fenerbahçe Istanbul — as potential defectors to Silver’s league. Two EuroLeague sources say that no clubs have yet told the EuroLeague of their intent to leave. ASVEL, through Parker, has been speaking to the NBA as a conduit between the two sides. Parker did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

New team could emerge in the Paris market, owned by the Qatar Sports Investments, which owns soccer giant Paris Saint-Germain. The 2024 Olympic host city already counts as its own Paris Basketball, which plays in the French national league and the EuroLeague, and has home games at both of the city’s large basketball arenas.“QSI has been approached with regards to a basketball franchise in Paris in relation to which we have expressed an interest,” a spokesman for QSI said.The NBA is considering placing franchises in other major markets across Europe, including in cities where current pro franchises already exist, like London, Manchester, Berlin and Munich.

The London market, or more broadly, the United Kingdom, is another place where the NBA could attract big soccer dollars from Middle Eastern sovereign funds. Manchester City’s multibillion-dollar soccer franchise is owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, through the Abu Dhabi United Group out of the United Arab Emirates. The chairman of Manchester City is another Emirati, Khaldoon Al Mubarak, whose brother, Mohamed Khalifa Al Mubarak, runs the Abu Dhabi Department of Culture and Tourism. The Al Mubarak family has expressed interest in NBA ownership, though sovereign wealth funds currently cannot own more than 20 percent of any NBA franchise.

A new basketball league in Europe would face immediate competition from the EuroLeague, widely considered the second-best basketball competition in the world after the NBA. The NBA tried to partner with the EuroLeague in the past, but the EuroLeague rejected those advances, according to multiple NBA and EuroLeague sources briefed on the conversations. The EuroLeague is in a state of uncertainty as European basketball executives wonder how the NBA would impact its future. For years, FIBA and the existing EuroLeague have clashed over issues ranging from the scheduling of national team events during EuroLeague seasons to how the continental league is run. Silver, meanwhile, has long been interested in European soccer and has cited an untapped marketing potential for basketball on the continent. Though the economics of European basketball are not considered to be strong, and the NBA could enter a potentially fragmented marketplace, Silver has been bullish about its chances. “I recognize there’s enormous history and tradition here in European basketball, and we want to respect those traditions,” Silver said in Paris in January. “Obviously, the United States is used to closed leagues; Europe is used to open leagues with promotion, regulation, etc. So we’re looking at all those facets. But having had this long history from our operation of sports leagues, largely in the United States and a little bit elsewhere, seeing what’s happened in Europe, not just in basketball but in soccer, as well, it gives us the opportunity to say, all right, let’s take a fresh look; what are the most effective practices for creating a commercially viable league.”

Why Adam Silver’s potential NBA Europe venture has a Paris problem. The NBA seems to have its sights set on major players in Europe, but one team has already "locked up the market" in the French capital. Commissioner Adam Silver will pitch the NBA Board of Governors his early sketches of a plan to start a new pro basketball league in Europe as early as 2026, sources with direct knowledge of Silver’s deliberations with potential stakeholders told The Athletic. The venture could include 16 teams, deep-pocketed investors, some defectors from the established EuroLeague and new franchises in major markets like Paris and London. Silver is set to present to the NBA Board of Governors in New York on Thursday after months of preliminary talks with existing European club teams, potential investors — including owners of mega soccer franchises on the continent — and FIBA, the international governing body for basketball that would be Silver’s partner in a new league.

There are no deals yet between the NBA and, well, anyone, two high-placed league officials told The Athletic. Silver is, essentially, looking for permission from his bosses (the NBA’s 30 owners) to move forward in making a new league happen. “The process is just beginning,” one high-ranking NBA official said. Though planning is still in its early stages, Silver’s effort has advanced enough for Andreas Zagklis, secretary general of FIBA, who is based just outside of Geneva, to travel to New York for the board of governors’ meeting. Zagklis is not expected to be a part of Silver’s initial presentation, but will be able to answer governors’ questions. Asked for comment, NBA spokesman Mike Bass issued this statement: “At this week’s NBA Board of Governors meeting, the league will report on its exploration of a new men’s basketball league in Europe, in partnership with FIBA.” Silver and the NBA have been building up to this for months. He spent several days in Paris in January meeting with potential stakeholders in the league and people across European basketball. Afterward, he said the league’s March board meeting would prove decisive in the league’s path forward. No vote is expected Thursday, but if Silver gets approval to continue, his new European league would include a mix of rights-holding franchises and slots for teams to play their way in by performing well in their national league or FIBA’s Basketball Champions League.

The league’s funding model would be expected to include league ownership stakes for team investors, sources involved in the discussions said, but a high-ranking NBA official called recent reports of a $500 million buy-in to the new league “pure speculation.” Sources on both sides of the Atlantic with knowledge of the NBA’s early talks are watching four existing EuroLeague franchises — Real Madrid, Barca Barcelona, ASVEL Basket of Villeurbanne, of which former NBA superstar Tony Parker is team president, and Fenerbahçe Istanbul — as potential defectors to Silver’s league. Two EuroLeague sources say that no clubs have yet told the EuroLeague of their intent to leave. ASVEL, through Parker, has been speaking to the NBA as a conduit between the two sides. Parker did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Banka15 » 27 Mar 2025, 13:04

dacolik wrote:Bankec, ne mogu 4 spanca u ligu od 16 timova. :D

Nadam se da cemo se jednom kako treba pozicionirati. Inace ok bi mi bila prica da 6-8 timova iz BCL (ili kako god se zvalo drugo evropsko takmicenje) svake sezone ide u Nba Europe.


Ma dobro ono sto sam napisao je samo primer, moze to i drugacije da se napravi, ali i ima smisla da Spanci imaju najvise timova jer imaju i najjacu ligu.

To sa BCL je problem zbog toga sto ekipe koje nemaju stalno mesto u ligi ne bi mogle ponovo da izbore ucesce ako je to jedini nacin da se udje, tako da mora da se omoguci ulazak i preko domacih prvenstava ako ce se ici na taj poluotvoren sistem gde moze da se udje i dobrim rezultatima.

Sto se pozicioniranja tice, svakako ne vidim da zele da nam daju stalno mesto u ligi, tako da smo usmereni ka Evroligi za sada, pa ako Evroliga pukne videcemo sta dalje.

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Za razliku od trenutnog modela koji je bas otvoren i pogodan za sirotinju :biggrin:
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Sezione » 27 Mar 2025, 13:08

Zar ovaj adam silver nije odapnuo jos pre par meseci? Wtf???
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Eddie Brock » 27 Mar 2025, 13:11

U pravu si Dacolice, ima istine, ali opet moze da se udje kao mi i cigani (da se plati ali opet nije 100%zzatvorena)
A i ovo sto Slaninar kaze, mnogi odbijaju jer im se ne ispalti

Drugacije ce biti taj NBA fazon, koji je potpuno zatvoren, i gde su ozbiljne pare mnogo ozbiljnije od sadasnjih
Svi ti Arapi ako ulete, Janakopulos i ostali ce izgledati ko prosjaci
Taj PSG vlasnik ako hoce sutra ce da napravi kontendera za El titulu, da ne oseti finansijski

Pare su najbitnije (kao i ranije), ne kosarka, publika al' ako se ostvari ta NBA EL onda ce klubovi koji nemaju lupam 300 mil da ga lagano izduvaju bez obzira na sastav ekipe, publiku ,hajp sveukupno.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby dacolik » 27 Mar 2025, 13:13

U pravu si, pitanje je mehanizma opstanka ako je ulaz samo preko BCL. Mada bi i tako mozda mogao da se napravi neki format da najbolje plasiranih 2-3 ostanu u Nba europe a ostali da igraju neki baraz.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 27 Mar 2025, 13:13

Mozda stave finansijski fer plej pa Arapi odustanu :D
Pretpostavka je najlaksi nacin da se dodje do pogresnog zakljucka.

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Re: Evroliga

Postby СрбинПодгорица » 27 Mar 2025, 13:23

Eddie Brock wrote:U pravu si Dacolice, ima istine, ali opet moze da se udje kao mi i cigani (da se plati ali opet nije 100%zzatvorena)
A i ovo sto Slaninar kaze, mnogi odbijaju jer im se ne ispalti

Drugacije ce biti taj NBA fazon, koji je potpuno zatvoren, i gde su ozbiljne pare mnogo ozbiljnije od sadasnjih
Svi ti Arapi ako ulete, Janakopulos i ostali ce izgledati ko prosjaci
Taj PSG vlasnik ako hoce sutra ce da napravi kontendera za El titulu, da ne oseti finansijski

Pare su najbitnije (kao i ranije), ne kosarka, publika al' ako se ostvari ta NBA EL onda ce klubovi koji nemaju lupam 300 mil da ga lagano izduvaju bez obzira na sastav ekipe, publiku ,hajp sveukupno.

Управо ово чим се траже власници ПСЖ, Ситија, зна се куда то све води то су стотине милиона у оптицају за буџете, у фудбалу можда не могу да затворе ЛШ или неку СЛ (још увијек) али у кошарци ће то да ураде и то ће да води ка трећој конференцији и глобалне НБА лиге. Колико год да је лоша ЕЛ, ово тек дјелује застрашујуће. Чак мислим да ће неко или Олимпијакос или Панатинаикос извисити можда и одмах. Ми што можемо добити да шампион АБА лиге и шта већ добије мјесто у квалификација за ЛШ, ни директно мјесто ту нећемо добити. Можда ЛШ добије мјесто два ту и то је то.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Banka15 » 27 Mar 2025, 13:40

Eddie Brock wrote:U pravu si Dacolice, ima istine, ali opet moze da se udje kao mi i cigani (da se plati ali opet nije 100%zzatvorena)
A i ovo sto Slaninar kaze, mnogi odbijaju jer im se ne ispalti

Drugacije ce biti taj NBA fazon, koji je potpuno zatvoren, i gde su ozbiljne pare mnogo ozbiljnije od sadasnjih
Svi ti Arapi ako ulete, Janakopulos i ostali ce izgledati ko prosjaci
Taj PSG vlasnik ako hoce sutra ce da napravi kontendera za El titulu, da ne oseti finansijski

Pare su najbitnije (kao i ranije), ne kosarka, publika al' ako se ostvari ta NBA EL onda ce klubovi koji nemaju lupam 300 mil da ga lagano izduvaju bez obzira na sastav ekipe, publiku ,hajp sveukupno.


Precenjujes to koliki ce budzet imati timovi kao sto su PSZ i Siti, nece to NBA dozvoliti. Tim koji bi imao duplo veci budzet nego trenutni PAO bi bio dovoljno finansijski mocan da otima legitimne NBA igrace, sto se direktno kosi sa interesima koje NBA ima, a da ne pricamo o tome sta bi bilo kada bi budzeti bili jos veci od toga. Sto se zatvorenosti lige tice, i EL ide ka potpunom zatvaranju i to samo slep ne vidi, verovatno bi se i sa NBA vremenom doslo do skroz zatvorenog sistema, ali najave su da ce bar na pocetku biti delimicno otvoren sistem, i to da ce se ulaziti preko rezultata, a ne preko vajdkarda i ostalih gluposti.

Meni je glavni upitnik kod NBA Evropa lige ako zanemarimo pojedinacni interes Partizana (ne)stabilnost samog projekta, jer u svakom trenutku moze da se desi da NBA digne sidro i ugasi to takmicenje bez da se bilo ko iz Evrope pita o tome i da time napravi haos u evropskoj kosarci.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby fontaneros » 27 Mar 2025, 13:44

MI SMO ZABRANJENI, SVI TO DOBRO ZNATE...
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Lester Bo » 27 Mar 2025, 13:50

Banka15 wrote:
Meni je glavni upitnik kod NBA Evropa lige ako zanemarimo pojedinacni interes Partizana (ne)stabilnost samog projekta, jer u svakom trenutku moze da se desi da NBA digne sidro i ugasi to takmicenje bez da se bilo ko iz Evrope pita o tome i da time napravi haos u evropskoj kosarci.

Teška priča da se krene u ligi, pa brzo da se digne sidro.

Neke garancije moraju postojati.

A hoće li biti te lige biti zavisi ko i u kojoj meri od klubova sa A licencom bude namiren.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby СрбинПодгорица » 27 Mar 2025, 13:51

Banka15 wrote:
Eddie Brock wrote:U pravu si Dacolice, ima istine, ali opet moze da se udje kao mi i cigani (da se plati ali opet nije 100%zzatvorena)
A i ovo sto Slaninar kaze, mnogi odbijaju jer im se ne ispalti

Drugacije ce biti taj NBA fazon, koji je potpuno zatvoren, i gde su ozbiljne pare mnogo ozbiljnije od sadasnjih
Svi ti Arapi ako ulete, Janakopulos i ostali ce izgledati ko prosjaci
Taj PSG vlasnik ako hoce sutra ce da napravi kontendera za El titulu, da ne oseti finansijski

Pare su najbitnije (kao i ranije), ne kosarka, publika al' ako se ostvari ta NBA EL onda ce klubovi koji nemaju lupam 300 mil da ga lagano izduvaju bez obzira na sastav ekipe, publiku ,hajp sveukupno.


Precenjujes to koliki ce budzet imati timovi kao sto su PSZ i Siti, nece to NBA dozvoliti. Tim koji bi imao duplo veci budzet nego trenutni PAO bi bio dovoljno finansijski mocan da otima legitimne NBA igrace, sto se direktno kosi sa interesima koje NBA ima, a da ne pricamo o tome sta bi bilo kada bi budzeti bili jos veci od toga. Sto se zatvorenosti lige tice, i EL ide ka potpunom zatvaranju i to samo slep ne vidi, verovatno bi se i sa NBA vremenom doslo do skroz zatvorenog sistema, ali najave su da ce bar na pocetku biti delimicno otvoren sistem, i to da ce se ulaziti preko rezultata, a ne preko vajdkarda i ostalih gluposti.

Meni je glavni upitnik kod NBA Evropa lige ako zanemarimo pojedinacni interes Partizana (ne)stabilnost samog projekta, jer u svakom trenutku moze da se desi da NBA digne sidro i ugasi to takmicenje bez da se bilo ko iz Evrope pita o tome i da time napravi haos u evropskoj kosarci.

Па што би звали власнике ПСЖ, Ситија и сличне ако им буџети неће бити на нивоу или близу НБА клубова? Иде ово ка трећој конференцији НБА лиге.
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